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United States

(self-nomination)
This important article is very well-written, not too long and not too short, and full of references.
Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/United States/archive2
Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/United States/archive1
Wikipedia:Peer review/United States

  • Support per nom.--Ryz05 t 14:11, 1 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Terrific article indeed! -- Grafikm (AutoGRAF) 14:22, 1 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support The article is on the longish side but that is to be expected for a topic as broad as this. It would be hard to shorten it in any substantial amount without detracting from its comprehensiveness. --Richard 22:30, 1 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. My previous objection in a former nomination has been fixed. --Maitch 15:53, 1 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Object. This article is great indeed, but there are still some minor issues in comprehensiveness. For example, the lead section does not mention the Civil War, rather, it jumps from the Revolutionary War directly to World War I. Also, the map showing territorial acquisitions of the United States, even though it comes from the United States government, is not accurate. It's close, but it does not show the result of the Webster-Ashburton Treaty which changed the border of northern Maine in 1842. I hate to be such a pain, but it's the small things that distinguish good articles and truly great ones. RyanGerbil10 14:44, 1 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • Having done extensive research on the US's borders very recently, I would say that northern Maine would not count as a territorial acquisition, it was a territory dispute. The other areas - Louisiana, Florida, Mexican Cession, Gadsden Purchase, Red River Basin, etc. - were clearly unowned by the United States until received via purchase or cession. Maine, on the other hand, was only disputed, claimed by both sides. Therefore, I don't think the northern half of Maine belongs in any list of acquisitions, only in a list of disputes and changes. --Golbez 14:53, 1 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Object Good article, but missing some key points which I raised in the previous nomination discussion but were apparently just ignored:
    • No mention of Entrepreneurship or "the American Dream" in neither the Economy or the Culture sections nor anywhere else. The American Dream is key to both the ideological legitimacy of the US economic system and to its positive image around the world.
    • Glaring ommissions from the culture section - the "American film industry" is mentioned (inadequately) but the term "Hollywood" is not mentioned anywhere. Also, television is not mentioned in the culture section, but is definitely more important culturally (and economically) than cinema. (Also this newest version now bizarrely refers to Disney's influence on Chinese cartoons and Japanese manga but still does not refer to Hollywood)
    • Science and technology section has no mention of Silicon Valley or the Internet (there is only a very brief mention in the History section - it is not clear that the internet revolution began in the US). Computers are only mentioned in a pre-1969 context.
    • "The country has also sought to fight terrorism and control the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction, but its main goal remains to protect American interest and the safety of its citizens at home and abroad". How is the "main goal" different from the first goals mentioned? (And it should be "interests", not 'interest") Bwithh 14:50, 1 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Article should probably also mention that the idea of immigration being crucial to US history and identity ("a nation of immigrants") rather than just an useful economic boost - this would tie in with mentioning the American Dream Bwithh 15:00, 1 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I think you forgot to read the Culture section, the Population migration and growth section, as well as the History section of the U.S. article.--Ryz05 t 15:06, 1 June 2006 (UTC)\[reply]
No, I didnt forget to read those parts. They give stats and talk about economic impact. They don't talk about the American Dream. Bwithh 15:26, 1 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I was talking about the mentioning of immigration. I also added the American Dream to the See also section. If you can think of a more suitable place to incorporate it, please say so. --Ryz05 t 15:35, 1 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
About the protection, see Talk:United_States#Request_unprotection.--Ryz05 t 16:08, 1 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Object, too long, too many details that should only be in subarticles. Especially History and Publich Health are too long. Kusma (討論) 16:40, 1 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. Not too long? Skinnyweed 17:33, 1 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • I belive in WP:SIZE and think no article should be longer than 50k (plus references). 88k is too long. I know that it is hard to make a short article on a topic of such a scope, but that is what Wikipedia:Summary style is for. Here, the sumamries for some sections should be shorter, the meat and the details should be in the subarticles. Kusma (討論) 17:41, 1 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per WP:WIAFA 2e. This article is well-written, well-referenced, comprehensive, but it is not stable, and that is a major criteria for FAC. There has to be some guarantee that it won't degrade over time, and a page which is protected for vandalism can't guarantee that kind of stability. You could, of course, argue that my objections are unactionable (which they probably are); I'm not sure where I stand on that point right now, but for the moment, I'm voting against. Sorry. The Disco King 18:03, 1 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support On this topic I would love to see some adminstrator step in, because I have seen this article keep getting kicked around; first it needs to mention all this new details or it can't be Featured, and then it's way too long. Unbelievable, this article is going to be long, lets accept that. Judgesurreal777 18:29, 1 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • Canada recently became featured. It is far shorter than this article. The US may be more important and more powerful, but it's article should still cover the same information and should be able to do so in the same length. —CuiviénenT|C|@ on Thursday, 1 June 2006 at 19:02 UTC
      • On the other hand, if this article becomes to long with the additions, more of it might be eligible to be split off, per summary style. Obviously, if things have been split off to their maximum potential, then length can't be counted against it. Fieari 22:43, 1 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. Size issue is a major concern for me although an article on USA is bound to have a lot to write on. Please summarize further. Also image captioning is improper with many images having 9 lines long caption. For guidelines, please see WP:CAPTION. Image problems in "Largest cities". Please have a look at "Largest cities" in 800x600 screen resolution. One advice: It is better to have a reasonably big image rather than 5 tiny ones. Images are there to provide visual aid for the readers to understand the subject. Seeing one representative skyline is enough to fire the imagination of a casual reader. There is no need to fill the page with images as additional images aren't very helpful. Why does mile has "sq mi" and kilometre has "km²" in the table? Also, the references are sometimes after the punctuation and sometimes before. -Ambuj Saxena (talk) 19:08, 1 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • The area measurements use the standard abbreviations - square miles are sq mi while square kilometres are km². It's much like the in-tandem use of mph and km/h for miles per hour and kilometres per hour. —CuiviénenT|C|@ on Thursday, 1 June 2006 at 20:03 UTC

"The country has also sought to fight terrorism and control the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction, but its main goal remains to protect American interest and the safety of its citizens at home and abroad". How is the "main goal" different from the first goals mentioned? (And it should be "interests", not 'interest") Bwithh 14:50, 1 June 2006 (UTC) The country is not a person with goals. This is instead the primary interest of the curent administration and may take a back seat to other issues at another time. It maight better fit in a polotics or modern events section. Feel free to change my post to conform to the style of this section.

  • Object. The human rights section does not even mention the fact that the US is among the top five nations WRT death penalty, nor the intense domestic and international controversy surrounding that fact. That makes the article looks incomplete. Furthermore, phrases such as "unprofessional military tactics in Iraq and Afghanistan" to describe the well-documented organised violation of human rights by US soldiers, CIA et al. look ever so slightly euphemistic, don't they. 87.122.36.179 22:24, 1 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Support. The main arguements against this nomination are that some things important to the objector are missing. However, it simply is not possible to say everything about the United States in one encyclopedic article. Instead, the purpose is to give a good introduction to the topic, which I think this article does a great job of doing. PDXblazers 23:23, 1 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    We summarise the content here, and move detail to dedicated articles. =Nichalp «Talk»= 05:56, 2 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per nom. PDXblazers has got a point, you can't put everything there is in an encyclopedic article. It is well summarize as it also gives important issues on all USA aspects. Lincher 02:20, 2 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Object per my comments on last FAC and peer review - in summary some parts are too long and others underdeveloped (like culture), the article still relies on some poor sources. Laregst cites table still poses a problem, its inclusion is not consistent with other featured country article and is over a screen in length, and I am yet to hear a compelling reason as to how/why it is useful to the reader.--Peta 03:42, 2 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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