| On a little trivia side-note: Do you guys know about the website www.tvtropes.org ? On their Madoka speculah page someone wrote that: The whole series is an experiment Specifically, an experiment on writing a show based on internet theories. They started out with character designs and a general concept and direction, dropped hints that it would be an extremely dark show (the leak about Urobuchi Gen's involvment was no accident), and then let the theorists go to town. They keep a close eye on all the forums and wikis that are examining the show, take the theories they like best, and use them. Heck, just look at all the theories that have been confirmed/lent credence, from this page alone!:
After all, what better resource is there than the audience's imagination? A popular 4 koma gag comic in Japan's internet community involves QB as a used car salesman, desperately trying to get people to sign up for contracts because his bosses are on him to meet his quota. In episode 10, one of the things he specifically mentions is that he doesn't care what happens to Earth, which will likely be destroyed by the rampaging super-witch created by Walpurgis Night, as long as he fills his quota. Uh... Now... what if it's somehow actually true, and they are not airing last episodes because... they can't decide which ending speculah to use? :D:D:D |
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kFYatek said: ...That guy obviously read recent chapters of Bakuman.... ^_^;; and you will find out why it will never work.On a little trivia side-note: Do you guys know about the website http://www.tvtropes.org ? On their Madoka speculah page someone wrote that: The whole series is an experiment Specifically, an experiment on writing a show based on internet theories. They started out with character designs and a general concept and direction, dropped hints that it would be an extremely dark show (the leak about Urobuchi Gen's involvment was no accident), and then let the theorists go to town. They keep a close eye on all the forums and wikis that are examining the show, take the theories they like best, and use them. Heck, just look at all the theories that have been confirmed/lent credence, from this page alone!:
After all, what better resource is there than the audience's imagination? A popular 4 koma gag comic in Japan's internet community involves QB as a used car salesman, desperately trying to get people to sign up for contracts because his bosses are on him to meet his quota. In episode 10, one of the things he specifically mentions is that he doesn't care what happens to Earth, which will likely be destroyed by the rampaging super-witch created by Walpurgis Night, as long as he fills his quota. Uh... Now... what if it's somehow actually true, and they are not airing last episodes because... they can't decide which ending speculah to use? :D:D:D Clearly, that's wrong. Urobuchi's script was finished way before it actual animation. In other words, the entire story was 'completed' before even airing at least according to various staff interviews, which makes that guy's speculation on 'internet theory collection duh' into absolute nonsense. Plus, Urobuchi definitely isn't someone who responds to internet dwellers all the time, like certain yamakan-nicknamed director who cat fights with keyboard. But one thing for sure is, he is known for having very, very deep knowledges and understandings about what Japanese otaku and subculture is. That's part of reason why he has a lot of fans but less antis than any other scenario writers. (*I might just have to write something about Urobochi in my blog, duh.) |
| rawwwww!!!! I just started Madoka Magica today and watched it all the way to episode 10 and I really can't wait for the next episode, especially not this long! :( |
DenjaX said: ／人◕ ‿‿ ◕人 You humans should continue bullshitting. Those rages will increase the entropy I needed to save the whole universe. Silly Kyuubey, what are you saying? Wasn't your goal to counter entropy, not increase it? |
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| T^T so heartbreaking~ ohwell |
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cetais said: KiraMustDie said: You know, if you guys really want to see the last episodes, there is a way ／人◕ ‿‿ ◕人＼ But in all honesty, this really sucks, but it's okay, I could just watch episode 10 again and again. This comment made my day. But you know, the amount of happiness provided by the news of Madoka resuming its run will then turn into equal amount of despair, when you'll see that Shaft released rushed crap as a result. No, cetais! Don't make a contract with Kyuubey! |
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Sae said: But you know, the amount of happiness provided by the news of Madoka resuming its run will then turn into equal amount of despair, when you'll see that Shaft released rushed crap as a result. Shaft used the time to fill in the details, sure. But the episodes are finished now, and they need to find a timeslot to air it/MBS are being difficult. And as MBS are the producers of the show, they won't allow it to stream on Niconico first. |
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cleo said: Shaft used the time to fill in the details, sure. But the episodes are finished now, and they need to find a timeslot to air it/MBS are being difficult. And as MBS are the producers of the show, they won't allow it to stream on Niconico first. I find it hard to believe that a completed episode would be delayed even more... but I'll just assume that info is accurate for now. So, MBS can't find a timeslot to air Madoka, and they also don't want it to stream before it airs. Hope that deadlock doesn't last long. >.< |
Takata said: I find it hard to believe that a completed episode would be delayed even more... but I'll just assume that info is accurate for now. So, MBS can't find a timeslot to air Madoka, and they also don't want it to stream before it airs. Hope that deadlock doesn't last long. >.< There are tweets between UroGen and people who watched the last ep floating around, indicating they're not holding back. That might be the reason why MBS is holding back, but that's just me assuming. |
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cleo said: All because some guys in suits decided the episodes were too dark for the current situation? That's just sad.Takata said: I find it hard to believe that a completed episode would be delayed even more... but I'll just assume that info is accurate for now. So, MBS can't find a timeslot to air Madoka, and they also don't want it to stream before it airs. Hope that deadlock doesn't last long. >.< There are tweets between UroGen and people who watched the last ep floating around, indicating they're not holding back. That might be the reason why MBS is holding back, but that's just me assuming. |
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Leon-Gun said: cleo said: All because some guys in suits decided the episodes were too dark for the current situation? That's just sad.Takata said: I find it hard to believe that a completed episode would be delayed even more... but I'll just assume that info is accurate for now. So, MBS can't find a timeslot to air Madoka, and they also don't want it to stream before it airs. Hope that deadlock doesn't last long. >.< There are tweets between UroGen and people who watched the last ep floating around, indicating they're not holding back. That might be the reason why MBS is holding back, but that's just me assuming. If that is the case, then we gotta put pressure on them. Then again, I am a newbie to the anime world. What's usually the Japanese fans' reaction to these situations? Petitions, something else? |
"Tonight, I sit in the eye of the storm. As fire boils around me, I press forward, winds and lightning lashing my wings. I am no match for what I face. Yet I will not back down, and though fear may place it's stranglehold on my heart, courage will see me through. With tears in my eyes, I hit full throttle. My engines become an inferno, and my weapons light up, awaiting my command. If I die tonight, I will do so fighting for everything I believe in."  |
BrickBreak said: Probably petitions. That said, if they really aren't holding back then we can be sure that the last two episodes will be as good as expected. Maybe it is better that they release them later, cause right now they're likely receiving pressure to downplay the dark mood. So really, I rather receive the last two episodes untouched and as they should be in a BD release rather than butchered broadcasts in order to conform to the whims of TV executives.If that is the case, then we gotta put pressure on them. Then again, I am a newbie to the anime world. What's usually the Japanese fans' reaction to these situations? Petitions, something else? Also, Shaft really has some interesting track record with their best series. First Bakemonogatari unbearable delay and now Madoka Magica. How come their mediocre titles get by just fine? |
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| Sucks that this is being delayed so long. Leon-Gun said: cleo said: All because some guys in suits decided the episodes were too dark for the current situation? That's just sad.Takata said: I find it hard to believe that a completed episode would be delayed even more... but I'll just assume that info is accurate for now. So, MBS can't find a timeslot to air Madoka, and they also don't want it to stream before it airs. Hope that deadlock doesn't last long. >.< There are tweets between UroGen and people who watched the last ep floating around, indicating they're not holding back. That might be the reason why MBS is holding back, but that's just me assuming. I vaguely remember reading how the postponement wasn't MBS, but a choice on Shaft's end initially, so Shaft deserves some blame for the sacrificing their airing slot. So if I can find the tweet or whatever that said that, I'll link you to it. The next two episodes are definitely coming in April though, and I foresee an online stream in the future. |
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Leon-Gun said: Probably petitions. That said, if they really aren't holding back then we can be sure that the last two episodes will be as good as expected. Maybe it is better that they release them later, cause right now they're likely receiving pressure to downplay the dark mood. So really, I rather receive the last two episodes untouched and as they should be in a BD release rather than butchered broadcasts in order to conform to the whims of TV executives. Of course. Assuring that the ending will perfect when it comes technical terms (and maybe the story itself) is nothing more than we could ask for from Madoka. That said, if they do have it finished, packed, and ready to go, it strikes me as weird that the execs would simply say: "It's perfect, but either slash it or wait until we feel like it." It's also stunning to me that Urobuchi, and the rest of the studio, don't have any aces up their sleeves. At least Uro always seemed to be the kind to do that... Too bad MBS has a contract as producer. Otherwise, I'm sure a ton of other channels would pick Madoka up without thinking twice. Leon-Gun said: Also, Shaft really has some interesting track record with their best series. First Bakemonogatari unbearable delay and now Madoka Magica. How come their mediocre titles get by just fine? ◕ ‿‿ ◕ I can give you awesomeness! (it will come at a price,though. hehe) |
"Tonight, I sit in the eye of the storm. As fire boils around me, I press forward, winds and lightning lashing my wings. I am no match for what I face. Yet I will not back down, and though fear may place it's stranglehold on my heart, courage will see me through. With tears in my eyes, I hit full throttle. My engines become an inferno, and my weapons light up, awaiting my command. If I die tonight, I will do so fighting for everything I believe in." |
| It does strike me as weird that they have nno aces up their sleeves. Who knows, maybe Urobochi and Shaft are not in a little of a discord. I mean, he expressed surprise that the episode was delayed further so we can assume Shaft has at least episode 11 already done. Plus there's that whole spin-off with a completely alternative setting that Shaft really seems intent on doing. I somehow don't see him as being too fond of that plan either. dojikko said: I hope you are right. The way I see it it's likely a combination of executive producer's putting pressure (they are always afraid of anime reflecting current events) and Shaft. Shaft did ask for an extra week to put their studio in order, but the indefinite cancellation of the broadcast came with no explanations so I doubt Shaft was behind that completely. After all, the producers could easily force Shaft to complete their work even if they had to rush it. So in the end MBS, for some reason, isn't really in a rush to broadcast the last two episodes.I vaguely remember reading how the postponement wasn't MBS, but a choice on Shaft's end initially, so Shaft deserves some blame for the sacrificing their airing slot. So if I can find the tweet or whatever that said that, I'll link you to it. The next two episodes are definitely coming in April though, and I foresee an online stream in the future. |
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| We got the SHAFT comrades. No but really, this is all probably part of some master plan by Gen so let's just take a breath and read the manga while we wait people. Madoka getting a much longer delay then anything else leads me to believe it's not just issues from the earthquake. THERE IS A MASTER PLAN. I believe. |
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TeamFortress2 said: We got the SHAFT comrades. No but really, this is all probably part of some master plan by Gen so let's just take a breath and read the manga while we wait people. Madoka getting a much longer delay then anything else leads me to believe it's not just issues from the earthquake. THERE IS A MASTER PLAN. I believe. Lets hope the master plan doesn't involve waiting for April 30th just because it's the day that Walpurgis Night is celebrated in real life. lol |
Thalos said: TeamFortress2 said: We got the SHAFT comrades. No but really, this is all probably part of some master plan by Gen so let's just take a breath and read the manga while we wait people. Madoka getting a much longer delay then anything else leads me to believe it's not just issues from the earthquake. THERE IS A MASTER PLAN. I believe. Lets hope the master plan doesn't involve waiting for April 30th just because it's the day that Walpurgis Night is celebrated in real life. lol ...do not question the master plan. We're just mere mortals what can we hope to understand. |
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| Japan is not the only country to get psychotic about disaster references: German TV editing "Simpsons" for nuke references... |
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kFYatek said: Lol.Japan is not the only country to get psychotic about disaster references: German TV editing "Simpsons" for nuke references... Yumekichi11 said: I heard the rumor that they were planning some non-normal broadcast. That either means live showings or streams (streams more likely). Either way, it seems we will have to wait for a BD release to see the show in HQ...just like Bakemonogatari really.So do we have a update or anything as news people? The 31st is coming up and it should be time for the whole Walpurgisnacht thing so what is up? |
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Leon-Gun said: Like Dai-sensei says "Hoo, Hoo, Hoo" sounds interesting, will look into it myself.Yumekichi11 said: I heard the rumor that they were planning some non-normal broadcast. That either means live showings or streams (streams more likely). Either way, it seems we will have to wait for a BD release to see the show in HQ...just like Bakemonogatari really.So do we have a update or anything as news people? The 31st is coming up and it should be time for the whole Walpurgisnacht thing so what is up? |
kFYatek said: Japan is not the only country to get psychotic about disaster references: German TV editing "Simpsons" for nuke references... germany even changed weapons in L4D2 so it's normal there haha |
kickthebucket said: kFYatek said: Japan is not the only country to get psychotic about disaster references: German TV editing "Simpsons" for nuke references... germany even changed weapons in L4D2 so it's normal there haha But in case of L4D2 and other things, they did it because of violence or Nazi references or something like that. But now they are editing TV shows because of disasters ON THE OTHER END OF THE WORLD. Now that's ridiculous. But yes, I know that Germany is quite psychotic with their censorship overall. Back to Madoka, I'd really like to see some official info soon. |
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| MBS schedule out for next week, no Madoka there either. Whee~ |
waterfall said: MBS schedule out for next week, no Madoka there either. Whee~ MBS needs to tell us straight up that Madoka is canceled or will be online only so I can move on to other anime since the Spring Season is coming up soon. |
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| They should go straight to streaming the last two episodes. I'd take that over waiting for months. Even better if it helps get the DVDs out on time. I don't think waiting until everyone has moved onto the spring line up is a smarter move then just streaming it. |
ThalosMar 31, 2011 10:41 AM
| Well, we're three weeks into this clusterfuck. I don't really roam around japanese sites and the producers' twitters, so, to anyone who does, are there any news or rumors? EDIT: another thing I thought of. Three weeks into this, and with probably two or three more to go, if not more, there is one scenario we have to think about: leaks. I mean, they are holding on to the completed epilogue of one of the most popular anime of the season for quite a long time. Who's to say some wacko won't go around and spoil everything? The longer it passes, the bigger that possibility becomes... |
BrickBreakMar 31, 2011 2:03 PM
"Tonight, I sit in the eye of the storm. As fire boils around me, I press forward, winds and lightning lashing my wings. I am no match for what I face. Yet I will not back down, and though fear may place it's stranglehold on my heart, courage will see me through. With tears in my eyes, I hit full throttle. My engines become an inferno, and my weapons light up, awaiting my command. If I die tonight, I will do so fighting for everything I believe in." |
Hemligheter said: The comic version has also been postponed indefinitely. Today (31 March) at 9:02 CEST (16:02 JST), I got a message from BK1 (where I have ordered some Madoka comic books) telling me that volume 1 of "Mahō Shōjo Oriko ☆ Magika" and volume 3 of "Mahō Shōjo Madoka ☆ Magika" have been delayed and that the shop doesn't know when my preorders for the said volumes will be sent out. Both volumes were supposed to be published on 12 April 2011. ご予約商品としてご注文をいただいた下記の手配につきまして、ご連絡がございます。 ------------------------------------- 注文番号:[order number removed] 商品名:『魔法少女おりこ☆マギカ 1』『魔法少女まどか☆マギカ 3』 ------------------------------------- 上記商品につきまして、出版社より発売が延期された旨報告が参りましたが、新たな発売日は現在のところ未定とのことでございます。 恐れ入りますが、何とぞご了承ください。 Damn it Kyubey!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! He wants us all to make a contract not just to see the episodes but to read the rest of the novel. Every fan is now suffering and it's no longer just the anime close to being cancelled. |
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BrickBreak said: EDIT: another thing I thought of. Three weeks into this, and with probably two or three more to go, if not more, there is one scenario we have to think about: leaks. There are some magazine scans with mild spoilers, but UroGen might just as well be trolling again. In any case, I'm not gonna trust any info/torrents etc. today/tomorrow. April Fools day and all.... |
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| The only hope I'm clinging onto is that these weeks of working on the final 2 episodes will make them... the... best... episode of anime ever. Episode 10 was apparently rushed and it's already my favourite episode of all time. |
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Fuurinkazan said: Exactly. That said, it's ok to expect good things but please remember to keep your expectations in moderation.Omniknight said: The only hope I'm clinging onto is that these weeks of working on the final 2 episodes will make them... the... best... episode of anime ever. That kind of attitude will inevitably have the effect that you'll be disappointed with the last episodes regardless of how good they are. |
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Leon-Gun said: Fuurinkazan said: Exactly. That said, it's ok to expect good things but please remember to keep your expectations in moderation.Omniknight said: The only hope I'm clinging onto is that these weeks of working on the final 2 episodes will make them... the... best... episode of anime ever. That kind of attitude will inevitably have the effect that you'll be disappointed with the last episodes regardless of how good they are. And adding to this, Ep 10 wasn't amazing because of technical stuff, but rather the story. Did you enjoyed the changes they made for the Nico stream that much? Because it's likely that the changes being made to the last episodes will be no or little more than that: trimming the edges of an already jaw-dropping diamond. That, or either they were so unsatisfied with the episodes that they're remaking from scratch, but that's nearly impossible. |
"Tonight, I sit in the eye of the storm. As fire boils around me, I press forward, winds and lightning lashing my wings. I am no match for what I face. Yet I will not back down, and though fear may place it's stranglehold on my heart, courage will see me through. With tears in my eyes, I hit full throttle. My engines become an inferno, and my weapons light up, awaiting my command. If I die tonight, I will do so fighting for everything I believe in." |
BrickBreak said: Leon-Gun said: Fuurinkazan said: Exactly. That said, it's ok to expect good things but please remember to keep your expectations in moderation.Omniknight said: The only hope I'm clinging onto is that these weeks of working on the final 2 episodes will make them... the... best... episode of anime ever. That kind of attitude will inevitably have the effect that you'll be disappointed with the last episodes regardless of how good they are. And adding to this, Ep 10 wasn't amazing because of technical stuff, but rather the story. Did you enjoyed the changes they made for the Nico stream that much? Because it's likely that the changes being made to the last episodes will be no or little more than that: trimming the edges of an already jaw-dropping diamond. That, or either they were so unsatisfied with the episodes that they're remaking from scratch, but that's nearly impossible. To everyone above: Ya, I've been burned many times from expectations, but this is the one time I do feel they can be met. Episode 10 was so good mainly because of the timing of the scenes. They weren't too long or too short. Just enough to evoke your emotions, bring enough to the story and as a complete package to showcase the desperation that Homura faces. It was just a perfect buildup to the past events and to put them into perspective. I just hope they aren't changing the ending from a sad one to a cliche happy one. They can save the happy stuff for the side series =D |
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Omniknight said: I just hope they aren't changing the ending from a sad one to a cliche happy one. They can save the happy stuff for the side series =D Don't take with 100% certainty that the ending (at least their planned one) is a sad one. It is a fact that the events leading to the end have been as dark as dark can be. But knowing Shaft, Uro, and the limitless possibilities of Madoka itself, I simply cannot take a happy, sad, or bittersweet ending as more likely than another. Also, assumption #2: If Madoka were to have a happy ending, it would cliché OR Assumption #2-B: All happy endings are cliché. Which, and I think you know that, are both wrong. And please... I don't know what's going on with people. I want a purely brilliant ending, sad or happy does not matter to me, as long as it is well done. I'm sure everyone thinks that as well, but most simply believe that it is impossible, or less likely, to do so with a happy ending. I quite simply do not believe that. |
"Tonight, I sit in the eye of the storm. As fire boils around me, I press forward, winds and lightning lashing my wings. I am no match for what I face. Yet I will not back down, and though fear may place it's stranglehold on my heart, courage will see me through. With tears in my eyes, I hit full throttle. My engines become an inferno, and my weapons light up, awaiting my command. If I die tonight, I will do so fighting for everything I believe in." |
| Like it or not the ending probably is going to be extremely cliche if it's a happy one. Just look at the number of problems that need to be cleared up: With all of this in mind if they do pull off an interesting, unique, and well writen ending that's happy I'll be quite impressed. But I'm not holding my breath for it. |
| I don't think the strength of this series is it's plot anyways. It was always about how the emotions of Madoka and the others made me actually care about what happened to them. So I have faith that they will make a great ending to this series because it is so character-driven and not story-driven. As long as the characters and their situations feel real, it will be a success. |
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Omniknight said: I just hope they aren't changing the ending from a sad one to a cliche happy one. They can save the happy stuff for the side series =D There is one thing Urobuchi/Miyamoto said about this anime. "This series is made to reject the possibility or hope for miracle." |
ringoo4 said: There is one thing Urobuchi/Miyamoto said about this anime. "This series is made to reject the possibility or hope for miracle." But Urobuchi also said "I want to end this series with the story of DREAM AND HOPE, but I don't know if watchers will accept it that way." And even you were the one who posted that line translated on the Internet. Though I'd pretty much like a happy ending. But happy does not necessarily mean cliché. I'm sure Urobuchi can pull off something totally epic either way. |
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kFYatek said: ringoo4 said: There is one thing Urobuchi/Miyamoto said about this anime. "This series is made to reject the possibility or hope for miracle." But Urobuchi also said "I want to end this series with the story of DREAM AND HOPE, but I don't know if watchers will accept it that way." And even you were the one who posted that line translated on the Internet. Though I'd pretty much like a happy ending. But happy does not necessarily mean cliché. I'm sure Urobuchi can pull off something totally epic either way. No miracle then. Only hard work. |
BrickBreak said: And please... I don't know what's going on with people. I want a purely brilliant ending, sad or happy does not matter to me, as long as it is well done. I'm sure everyone thinks that as well, but most simply believe that it is impossible, or less likely, to do so with a happy ending. I quite simply do not believe that. I think a hopeful ending is more what I am looking for. Bad things happen, people die, but not all is lost. The only ending I don't really want to see is a resurrection ending. But in the end, it all comes down to execution, regardless of where the story goes. |
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